1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,040 In the criminal justice system, the people are represented 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,440 by two separate 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,440 the police who investigate crime, 4 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,560 and the Crown Prosecutors who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,440 These are their stories. 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,240 She shouldn't be texting you in the first place. 7 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:22,360 You shouldn't be checking my phone. How do I know what you're up to? 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,440 I'm not up to anything. Then you shouldn't be texting her. 9 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,120 Jen, this is ridiculous. I want you to delete her number. 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,920 What? You heard. 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,640 Don't walk away from me. Rob! 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,040 Jen, stay where you are. Don't tell me what to do. 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,600 Oh, my God. 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,040 Grazes on the back of his hands, a nasty cut on his lip. 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,960 Also he's received a blow to the head 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,960 which could be the cause of death. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,360 Have you got a time, Joy? Yeah, I'd say sometime within the last hour. 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,200 Really? Yeah. 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,080 Richard Peters. 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,680 Right. 21 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,480 Thanks, love. 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,280 Richard Peters. 23 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,960 Saw nothing at all? We didn't see anyone. 24 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:17,520 It's pretty quiet around here, anyway. All right. 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,920 Well, one of our officers is going to take a statement from you both. 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,920 You can wait in your flat if it's any easier. 27 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:25,640 Thanks. All right. 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,800 Guv? Yeah? 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,040 We've found an empty pram. 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,360 And Richard Peters lives here? 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,400 Yes, guv. 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,720 It's still warm. 33 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,440 Well, let's hope the baby is. 34 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,280 Why aren't you out looking for Leo? 35 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,160 Like I've already said, Mr Wilks, 36 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,360 we have officers searching for your son, 37 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,320 but they'll have a much better chance 38 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,720 if you give us as much information as possible. OK? 39 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,000 Rick was the nicest guy you could meet. 40 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,720 Why would anyone...? 41 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,600 Oh, God. 42 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,760 Leo, what if they've hurt him? 43 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,080 Listen, what time did Mr Peters leave this morning? 44 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,000 Just after eight. 45 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:07,600 go out, have breakfast at the cafe, get the papers and then come back. 46 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,360 Rick works from home most days, 47 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,680 so he used to say that was his walk to the office. 48 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,600 And how long has Leo been with you? 49 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,960 We fostered him when he was four months old, 50 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,720 and then applied to adopt. 51 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,880 What about Leo's biological mother? 52 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,600 She was a drug addict. 53 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Most people wouldn't want to adopt a baby with problems, 54 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,520 but we loved him from the first time we saw him. 55 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,160 Do you have a recent photograph? 56 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:35,400 You have to find my son. 57 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,240 He needs medication twice a day. 58 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,320 If he doesn't get it... What sort of medication, Mr Wilks? 59 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,000 For seizures. He has epilepsy. 60 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,000 Guv, have a look at this. 61 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Now, this van leaves the flats 62 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,720 round about the time that Richard Peters was murdered. 63 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,720 Have we got footage from inside the gates? 64 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,160 No, there's only CCTV on the main entrance. 65 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,360 We checked the van. It belongs to a Dean Carter, 66 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,320 who's got previous for assault and theft. 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,760 Ta. But murder and kidnap, it's a whole different league. 68 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,040 In this assault Dean Carter was jointly charged with Karl Simpson. 69 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,320 CID picked him up a couple of months ago 70 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,760 for possession of indecent child images. 71 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,440 OK. Maybe he and Dean Carter had a shared interest. 72 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,680 I want all patrol teams out looking for that van, 73 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,840 but no high-speed chases in case he has got Leo. 74 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:22,920 Uniform have spotted the van at Borough Market 75 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,760 and it looks like it's stopping. 76 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,040 Have you let Sam know? No need to. 77 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,800 He's north of the river with his team 78 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,360 in case the guy makes a break for it across the bridge. 79 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,720 Get in with me. Oh, right. You going to drive? 80 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,600 Yes, I'm going to drive. 81 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,160 All units in position? 'In position.' 82 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:47,920 Ready? Yeah. 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,880 All units go, go, go. 84 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:03,840 Move away from the vehicle! 85 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:06,160 What have I done? What's this all about? 86 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,600 What do you mean, calm down? Calm down about what? 87 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,760 Can you open your van please, sir. 88 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,000 Why? Just open the van, please. 89 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,520 You got a warrant? No, I've got a missing kid, I don't need a warrant. 90 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,640 You tell me, pal, that look like a missing kid to you? 91 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,400 Great. 92 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,360 I don't know nothing about a missing kid. 93 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,680 How come your van was seen coming out of some flats 94 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,360 moments after a man was murdered and a child was abducted. 95 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,800 Well, good news, Dean. 96 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,320 Your friend Mr Turner has indeed confirmed 97 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,800 that you were there to visit him at the flats. 98 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,600 There we go, told you that already. 99 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,200 He's also told us you were off loading some stolen goods. 100 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,960 Hardly something to be smug about, is it? 101 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,840 Anyway, we'll deal with that later on. 102 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,680 I need you to try and remember if you saw anyone suspicious at the flats. 103 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,080 So why should I help you lot? Well, no reason at all. 104 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,000 But you should try and help the man who's going out of his mind 105 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,920 because his seriously ill son is missing. What do you think? 106 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,760 I tell you what. 107 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,560 You do me a deal with what you got me on I'll tell you what I know. 108 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,280 Not a good day to barter with me, Dean. 109 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:18,040 Right, what can I tell you? 110 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,720 There was a bloke and a bird standing outside on the street. 111 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,760 They were there when I drove in and they were there when I drove out. 112 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,080 You sure it was the same couple? Trust, me pal. 113 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,720 You notice people in my line of work, you know what I mean? 114 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,240 I know what you mean, pal. A description, please? 115 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,440 All right. She was white, he was black. 116 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,480 Both in their late 20s. Did you see them enter the flats? No. 117 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,160 Is that it. Can I go now? Of course you can. 118 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,080 As soon as I've charged you. 119 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,680 The amount of time we've wasted on Dean Carter. 120 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,000 Guv, come and have a look at this. 121 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,920 What? 122 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,680 Bin lorry, followed by... 123 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,560 white female, black male. 124 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,480 If they live in the flats why don't they use the pedestrian gate. 125 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,320 Because you need a pass key. Precisely. 126 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,040 And if they're visiting why aren't they buzzing for entry? 127 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,960 Do we see them leave? No, there's no CCTV cameras over the exit gate. 128 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,960 Maybe they did, but we haven't seen them. 129 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,840 All right, see if Gareth Wilks recognises them. Good work. 130 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,480 That's Ruth Pendle. 131 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,840 I've never seen him before, but that's definitely Ruth, Leo's mum. 132 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,800 You're absolutely certain? Yes. 133 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,560 Does this mean you know where he is? Not yet, no. 134 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,640 Had Ruth been in touch with either you or Richard recently? 135 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,160 No. 136 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,720 The last time we saw her Leo was still in our foster care. 137 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,680 As soon as we adopted him, we cut contact. 138 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,760 Any idea where we might find Ruth? 139 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,200 You could try her mum. 140 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,480 I haven't heard from Ruth since she left rehab three months ago. 141 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,720 How long was she in there for? On and off since Leo was taken into care. 142 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,560 I paid for her to go into the best place, get the best help, 143 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,120 but she couldn't stay clean. 144 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,960 It couldn't have been easy for you. 145 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,760 Ruth idolised her dad. 146 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,240 He was something of a genius. 147 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,120 They spent hours pouring over books together. 148 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,040 But then he had an affair with someone not much older than her. 149 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,720 She started failing her exams which was unheard of. 150 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,200 I found out that someone at college gave her cocaine 151 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,000 to help her stay awake. 152 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,560 Guess it was funny, seeing the clever girl go off the rails. 153 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,120 And before she knew it, she was hooked, yeah? 154 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,400 Suddenly she thought she had friends. 155 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,400 I should have spotted it, but I didn't, 156 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,560 not until she told me she was pregnant. 157 00:08:40,560 --> 00:08:43,000 Do you know if she was on drugs while she was pregnant? 158 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,960 She'd progressed to heroin by then. 159 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,000 When my grandson was born he had to be weaned off it. 160 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,840 Did she tell you the name of the father? She refused to. 161 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,400 So you've no idea where she is now? 162 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,280 Try her room-mate from the rehabilitation centre. 163 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,360 They were inseparable. 164 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Come on, love, open up. 165 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,560 I know you're in there. I can see you moving about. 166 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,720 Lisa Longwood? 167 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,160 Might be. I'll take that as a yes. 168 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,240 What the hell do you think you're doing? 169 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,080 Ruth Pendle? 170 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,320 Who? 171 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,080 Ruth Pendle. 172 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,160 You shared a room with her in rehab, right? 173 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,120 I don't know what you're on about. I've got a missing boy, love. 174 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,040 I haven't got time for games. Where's Ruth Pendle? 175 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,280 I'm Ruth. 176 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,120 What do you mean, a little boy's missing. Is it Leo? 177 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,680 You should be looking for my son. 178 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:49,200 We were hoping you could tell us where he is. 179 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,120 Why would I know? 180 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,520 Social Services took him away from me. Really? 181 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,400 Why were you at the flats this morning 182 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,120 where Richard Peters was killed? Pardon? 183 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,760 That is you, isn't it? 184 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,880 No. No? 185 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,600 No? So it's a coincidence, is it, that someone looking like you, 186 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,120 well, exactly like you, is outside Mr Peters flat this morning. 187 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,640 Mr Peters being the man who adopted your son. 188 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,080 Come on, Ruth, you're not stupid. 189 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,640 I mean you must have known we'd make the connection. 190 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,040 Is that the boy's father? 191 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,640 It isn't me. 192 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,560 Right, you know what, we don't have time for this, Ruth. 193 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:32,320 Listen to me, young lady. 194 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,720 Leo is in danger. 195 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,160 He needs medication twice a day, you understand? 196 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,560 He suffers from seizures, 197 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:41,520 maybe because his mother fed him 198 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,560 a diet of heroin when she was pregnant. 199 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:46,960 He needs tablets to stop them from happening. 200 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,720 You're lying. 201 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,440 Why would we do that? To get me to tell you where he is. 202 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,320 So you do know? 203 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,840 Right, we found this in your bag when you came to the station. 204 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,840 Business card for a solicitor. Why were you seeing him? 205 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,880 None of your business. We'll ask him. 206 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:05,760 He's not allowed to disclose anything. 207 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,320 I know that, but those rules tend to get forgotten, don't they, 208 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,160 when there's a child's life at stake? 209 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,880 I assume I don't need to remind you about legal privilege? 210 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,920 I assume I don't need to remind you that withholding information 211 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,320 that results in the death of a child would not be good for your firm. 212 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,800 Don't you agree? I don't appreciate being pressured. 213 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,400 I'm sure you don't. 214 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,720 So, now we've got the formalities out of the way, 215 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,600 what were you seeing Ruth Pendle about? 216 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,960 She was seeking advice on how to overturn the adoption. 217 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,160 Really, well I thought that was impossible? 218 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,360 It is for Ruth, but not for the father. 219 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,560 He's not on the birth certificate. He was never consulted 220 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,680 when the baby was given up for adoption, so he can contest it. 221 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:51,560 I did tell Ruth that it's still highly unlikely she'll succeed. 222 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:53,920 Do you know the father's name? 223 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,160 Yes. 224 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,480 Mr Walker, I understand you'd like to protect client confidentiality, 225 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,920 but we think Leo's been taken by his dad, so a name, please. 226 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,840 This puts me in a very awkward position. 227 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,120 Well, I appreciate that, but you're our only hope 228 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,920 of finding Leo, and quickly, so a name please. 229 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,760 Neil Jenkins. 230 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,680 And, no, I don't have a contact address. Thank you for your time. 231 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,400 I haven't seen him since I became pregnant. 232 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,080 So, this isn't Neil Jenkins in the picture with you, no? 233 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:28,560 No? 234 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,320 There are 126 Neil Jenkins listed in London. 235 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,960 Do you know how long it's going to take to go through them? 236 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,880 Every minute we waste puts your child's life at risk. 237 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,080 If I tell you where Leo is, 238 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,440 Social Services will make sure I never see him again. 239 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,080 I know you all think I'm a waste of space drug addict, but I'm clean. 240 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,480 And you know why I did that? 241 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,240 For Leo. 242 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,280 Because he's the only thing in my life worth living for. 243 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,080 What are these? 244 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,320 These are web forums of parents who have children with epilepsy. 245 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:13,040 This little boy, for instance, had a major seizure. 246 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,160 And now can't even hold his own head up. 247 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,880 Leo seemed fine. I'd have been able to tell if something was wrong. 248 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,960 Well, the reason he seemed fine though, Ruth, when you saw him 249 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,680 is because his adoptive parents are giving him his regular medication. 250 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:30,560 But he isn't with them right now, is he? 251 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,560 It won't hurt if he misses a few doses, is it? 252 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:34,400 That's what this mother thought. 253 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,720 She took her 18-month-old daughter off medication 254 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,480 without talking to a doctor first. 255 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,280 Two days later she had a fit and now they're worried 256 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,240 that she can't see out of one eye. 257 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,880 Look. 258 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:50,120 Leo's going to be two next month. 259 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,840 I missed his first birthday, and I swore I wouldn't miss anymore. 260 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,440 Not again. 261 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,320 I just want to be with him. 262 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,560 I understand that totally. 263 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,120 You do want to help your son, don't you? 264 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,320 Of course I do. 265 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,440 Well, then, tell us where he is. 266 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:16,840 You promise to look after him. 267 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,920 I promise. 268 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,320 And tell him that his mummy loves him. 269 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,440 He's with his dad. 36 Garston Court. 270 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,800 Thank you very much. 271 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,760 You've done the right thing. 272 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,040 Mr Jenkins. 273 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,200 Open the door, please. 274 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,520 Mr Jenkins. 275 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,440 No. Go on, lads. 276 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,600 Police! 277 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,160 Anything? Guv? 278 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,840 A man with a little boy's been spotted on the roof. 279 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Well, get after him, then. Quick as you can. 280 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Come on, lads, quick as you can. 281 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,280 Take it easy. That's it. All right. Thank you. 282 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,040 Hiya, Neil. 283 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,440 It's chilly up here, isn't it? 284 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,800 How are you doing? 285 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,880 You're not taking my son away from me, OK? 286 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,040 No. So you can all just leave us alone. 287 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,160 He's not a well lad. You know that, Neil, don't you? 288 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,160 What do you mean? He has epilepsy. 289 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,880 He needs regular medication. 290 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,640 No, no. Ruth would have told me about something like that. 291 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,480 Well, she didn't know either. 292 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,720 She didn't know. 293 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,120 He's fine. 294 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,520 We've been we've been singing songs earlier. 295 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Hey, little man, weren't we? 296 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,400 Eh? Were we singing songs, were we? 297 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,080 Good boy. 298 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,320 Neil, if you care about baby Leo, and I know you do, 299 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,160 you'll let us do what we have to. 300 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,080 I'm his dad, and he doesn't even know who I am. 301 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,560 Let me take care of him, just for a minute, eh? No. No. 302 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,080 No. 303 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,520 Come on. 304 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,320 You want him to be happy, don't you? 305 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,680 Then, why don't you do what's right for him. 306 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,960 Eh? And not you. 307 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,440 Cos you know what? 308 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,480 That's what good dad's are all about... Neil. 309 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,560 They put themselves second. 310 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,600 Who's this? 311 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,480 Boys. 312 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,120 Thank you. Thank you so much. 313 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:07,760 Gareth, the paramedics are going to take you to hospital, 314 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,480 just to check Leo over, OK? 315 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,640 Is that who killed Rick? 316 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,400 You leave him to us, Mr Wilks. You just take care of Leo. OK? 317 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,000 Ruth reckoned that if we just talk to them 318 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,560 they'd see how serious we were about getting Leo back. 319 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,760 Well, why didn't you go through the courts? 320 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,840 Because that would have taken forever. 321 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,280 Nothing to do with the previous you got then, Neil? 322 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,080 What? 323 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,640 Well, Neil... 324 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,280 ..four years ago you assaulted a man after a night out. Is that right? 325 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,320 I was drunk, right, and he was winding me up. 326 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Is that what Mr Peters was doing? 327 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,120 All I wanted to do was see Leo. 328 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:06,320 So it didn't wind you up, did it, 329 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,280 the fact that Leo, your son, had been adopted by two daddies? 330 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,800 It pissed me off that other people had my boy. 331 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,720 That was Ruth's fault. She gave him away. 332 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,280 She didn't give him away. Social Services took him away. 333 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,320 Because she was on drugs. Ruth? 334 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,760 No. 335 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,560 Didn't you wonder why her family wanted nothing to do with her? 336 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,560 They had a falling out. And she turned to you. 337 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,120 Bet you couldn't believe your luck. 338 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:32,080 I loved her! All right? 339 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,880 You see? 340 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,040 You've got quite a temper. 341 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,120 Is that what happened when you saw Leo? 342 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:41,640 You got angry and you lashed out. 343 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,480 No. No. 344 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,800 All I did was pick Leo up, that's it. 345 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,960 And then this Mr Peters, he went mental. 346 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,880 Started screaming in my face. So you hit him to shut him up? 347 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,000 I walked away so Leo wouldn't see what was happening. 348 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,560 He followed me and he grabbed my arm. 349 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,560 So I pushed him... 350 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:11,560 ..and he fell over. 351 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:18,960 Well, the pathology report says 352 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,760 that Mr Richard Peters died from a blow to the head, probably a kick. 353 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:29,240 I mean, I might have caught his lip when I pushed him, but that was it. 354 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,760 All right. So what happened after you pushed him? 355 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:36,240 You need to tell us the truth. 356 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,280 Where is he? 357 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,040 He's in another room. 358 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,400 Will he get bail? Why do you ask? 359 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,680 If he knows I've spoken to you, he'll come after me. 360 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,680 Has Mr Jenkins come after you before? 361 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,560 He's got a temper. 362 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,440 That's why we split up. 363 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,960 I thought I could handle it, but I couldn't. 364 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,640 Well, why would you leave your son with someone like that? 365 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Because I didn't have much choice. 366 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,400 OK. So what went wrong? 367 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,280 It was Neil. 368 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,520 He just picked Leo up without asking. 369 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,400 I told him to put him down, but he wouldn't. 370 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,400 And then Mr Peters tried to grab him back, 371 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,360 but Neil started hitting him and then he pushed him over. 372 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,880 Go on. 373 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,160 That's when he kicked him in the head. 374 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,240 Right, so you are saying 375 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,640 that Neil Jenkins kicked Richard Peters in the head. 376 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,840 He said that'd teach him a lesson. 377 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,880 I only wanted my baby. That's all. I'm so sorry. 378 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,880 Right, that's that interview terminated at 18:35. Thank you. 379 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,160 Where are we with forensics? 380 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,720 We're awaiting results on both pairs of shoes. 381 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,960 Not your everyday murderer is she? 382 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,480 Why do you say that? Because she's well spoken? 383 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,360 Because she's not got previous, unlike him. 384 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:09,840 We've got enough to charge Neil Jenkins with murder. 385 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,520 Both with kidnapping. 386 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,480 Oh, surely we've got enough 387 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,800 to charge Ruth with murder on joint enterprise? 388 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,440 There's not much point. Neil's admitted he pushed him. 389 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,760 But he's denying delivering the blow to the head. 390 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,640 He's claiming self-defence. 391 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,880 So unless forensics prove otherwise it's Neil's word against Ruth's. 392 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,880 And hers is the one a jury will believe. 393 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Well, this is right as far as I can see. 394 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,000 It was Ruth Pendle's idea to go and see Mr Peters. Jenkins who hit him. 395 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,320 She could have called for help, but didn't. 396 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,000 You wanted to see me? Ruth Pendle and Neil Jenkins. 397 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,120 They're being jointly charged with murder. 398 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,760 I told the DI we didn't have a case against the mum. 399 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,320 Why? 400 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,680 Well, because Jenkins admitted that he pushed Mr Peters. 401 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,360 He is claiming self-defence, but we can prove otherwise, 402 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,080 given what Ruth's told us. 403 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,720 But we can't. 404 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,960 Ruth's word isn't admissible until it comes out in evidence in court. 405 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,680 What we do know is that she led Jenkins there, 406 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,760 and then fled the scene, leaving a man dead. 407 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,920 Unless we have evidence to prove 408 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,400 that one of them killed Richard Peters we go after both. 409 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,480 Do you have a problem with that? 410 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,760 No, course not. 411 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,360 Ruth Pendle, you're charged with the murder of Richard Peters. What? 412 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,240 No! No! No! 413 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,400 No! It was Neil. I told you. Please! 414 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,120 Please! You don't know what's happening. I need to see my son. 415 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,520 No, please! 416 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,200 Do you think she killed him? 417 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,480 Sam, she's a young mum desperate to be with her kid. 418 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,280 Could be capable of anything. 419 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,920 I want taken off the Pendle case. 420 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,320 Why? 421 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,960 Because joint enterprise is a cop out. 422 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,040 We should be trying to prove who did it, 423 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,880 not just taking a chance on them both. 424 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,240 All we can prove is that they were acting together. 425 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,680 This is ridiculous. 426 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,480 Do you know her? 427 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,720 What? 428 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,760 Ruth Pendle. Do you know her? 429 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,520 No, course I don't. 430 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,600 So why are you so hell bent on protecting her? 431 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,760 Do you know what, forget it! Kate! 432 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,320 I've no idea what your issue is, 433 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,360 but you will go in that court room and you will get the result we want. 434 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,720 Is that understood? 435 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,240 Kate! 436 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,560 Fine! 437 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,360 Self defence? 438 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,960 Forensics shows Richard Peters was killed by a blow to the head. Maybe. 439 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,840 But you haven't found a murder weapon and my client's shoes were clean. 440 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,560 And Mr Jenkins insists it wasn't him either. 441 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,200 Is he saying Ruth did it, then? That's not likely. 442 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,720 Sorry, Kate, whose side are you on? 443 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,480 Mine. 444 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,720 So, Lydia, what's your line? 445 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,320 That Neil Jenkins acted alone whilst Ruth tried to look after her son. 446 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,400 She couldn't have known he was planning to use violence. 447 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,160 So telling Mr Jenkins that he had a son, 448 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,280 and then persuading him to go and see Leo had nothing to do with her? 449 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,920 Let's save the arguing for the courtroom, shall we. 450 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,400 We're sticking to the charge of murder. 451 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,640 For both defendants. 452 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,880 He's driving me mad. 453 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,360 I got the impression he's not your favourite person. 454 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,120 We don't agree on the case. 455 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,240 Why not? 456 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,320 I shouldn't really talk about it. 457 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,640 Hey. I know we're on opposite sides, but we're still friends. 458 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,760 So, come on, what's up? 459 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,840 I just don't think we should be going after Ruth. 460 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,560 Can't argue with you there. 461 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,440 But Jake is adamant he can convince a jury she's guilty of murder. 462 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,480 Really? How? 463 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,920 I'm not daft, Kate. I know he's going to try some dirty trick. 464 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,760 What's he going to do? Get her on the stand and wind her up into a fury? 465 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,600 He is, isn't he? 466 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,120 He reckons that if the jury see she has a temper, 467 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,160 they'll also see she could have got angry enough to kill Richard Peters. 468 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,600 He's good, Lyds. 469 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,640 So am I. 470 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,360 What happened when Mr Peters saw you? 471 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,720 He was surprised, to see Ruth. 472 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,800 He said erm... 473 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,880 he said Leo was their son and that was that. 474 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,400 And what was Miss Pendle's response to that? 475 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,400 She was angry. 476 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,520 He wouldn't even listen to us. 477 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,040 So they started arguing. 478 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,880 I could see that Leo was getting upset... 479 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,440 ..so I went to pick him up out of his pushchair. 480 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,680 And Mr Peters told me to put him back. 481 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,320 But I... 482 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,520 I just...wanted to comfort my son. 483 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,040 And then what? 484 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,360 He just went mad - Mr Peters. 485 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:46,920 He started trying to grab at Leo, 486 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,120 so I turned away to protect him. 487 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,400 Then what happened? 488 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,280 And then he came at me again. 489 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,360 So I pushed him away. And erm... 490 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,480 he fell over. 491 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,560 What was Miss Pendle doing during all of this? 492 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,520 She didn't do anything. 493 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,640 I mean, she didn't kick him. 494 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,920 Neither of us did. 495 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,000 He must have banged his head when he fell over. 496 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800 But I don't know why Ruth is saying that I kicked him 497 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,640 because she knows that I didn't. 498 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,720 I honestly... I didn't kick him. 499 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,280 Thank you. 500 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,880 Mr Jenkins. 501 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,920 How long were you and Miss Pendle dating before you broke up? 502 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,960 About six months. 503 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,320 And how would you describe your relationship? 504 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,480 I loved Ruth. 505 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,600 But Miss Pendle ended it and never told you she was pregnant? 506 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,440 Yeah. 507 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,400 I didn't know about Leo until a couple of weeks before I saw him. 508 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,840 Why do YOU think she never told you about him? 509 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,400 Milady... 510 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,920 my client cannot possibly read the mind of Miss Pendle. 511 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,400 Rephrase please, Miss Smythson. 512 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,040 Would it be fair to say that you and Miss Pendle used to argue? 513 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,560 Sometimes. 514 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,360 You argued daily, didn't you? 515 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,960 I can't remember. 516 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,320 Arguments of such a scale that she was terrified of you. 517 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,000 I never hit her! I'm not suggesting you did, Mr Jenkins. 518 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,800 There's no need to get angry. 519 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,720 On the night Miss Pendle left, did you have an argument? 520 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,320 Erm... 521 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,160 we might have. 522 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,560 You might have. 523 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,880 Could it be why she didn't tell you about the baby? 524 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,720 Because she didn't want you to know. She knew you had a temper 525 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,800 and she didn't want her unborn child to ever have to see that. 526 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,120 No, that's not - No further questions. 527 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,800 Keep going like this and they'll stitch each other up. 528 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,560 Would you say you're of average build, Mr Jenkins? 529 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000 What? What height are you? Six foot? 530 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,440 Erm I'm five...five, eleven. 531 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,800 You say you were worried about Mr Peters hurting you and your son, 532 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,440 hence you pushed him in self defence. 533 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,960 Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah, it is. 534 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,280 Mr Peters was five-foot, six, 535 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,640 and of slight build. Are we really to believe you thought he could hurt you? 536 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,920 He was going mad. He was shouting at me. 537 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,360 But surely you could have dealt with that? 538 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,400 In fact... 539 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,960 ...that's exactly what you did four years ago 540 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,000 when a man shouted at you in the street. 541 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,080 You attacked him, didn't you? 542 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,800 I've already been through this with Mr Linten. 543 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,360 But what Mr Linten conveniently forgot to tell the court 544 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,480 is that the man you attacked was gay? 545 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,440 That's not why I pushed him. 546 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,600 That's not why I pushed him. 547 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,560 It's not why I pushed him. 548 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,720 No further questions. 549 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,360 One down, one to go. 550 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,840 Don't assume you'll have such an easy time with Ruth tomorrow. 551 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,320 I can't see her posing too many problems. 552 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,720 Really? Not sure she'll snap quite as easily as you think. 553 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,560 Pardon? 554 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,720 I know about your little plan to wind up Ruth, get her angry, 555 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880 show the jury her temper, 556 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,560 which in your world makes her capable of murder. 557 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,520 Kate. Once a defence barrister, always a defence barrister. 558 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,040 What the hell did you think you were playing at? 559 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,760 She worked it out for herself. With a little help from you. 560 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,000 I'm sorry. I thought I could trust her. 561 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,080 Loyalties don't exist in our world, Kate. 562 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,960 Lydia told me to try and undermine me, 563 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,800 make me question what else she knows. 564 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,240 Jake's right. You fell straight into her trap. 565 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,840 You both know I don't agree with prosecuting Ruth for murder. 566 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040 Of all the people to tell that to, you chose Ruth Pendle's barrister. 567 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,640 We're mates. We were in the same chambers for five years. 568 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,400 Which clearly counts for nothing. 569 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,920 You crossed a line, Kate, a line which could jeopardise this trial. 570 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,960 I knew it was a risk taking you on. 571 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,000 What's that supposed to mean? That Lydia's right. 572 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,080 Once a defence barrister - Don't be ridiculous. 573 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,800 I didn't know you lot did late shifts. 574 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,960 What are you doing here? 575 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,240 I was just dropping off some files. 576 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,000 What's your excuse? 577 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000 Just going over Neil Jenkins' notes. 578 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,840 See if there's anything we've missed. 579 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,120 Right. I saw Jake at the court. 580 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,120 We were talking about the case. 581 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,200 He said you had a problem with it. Look at this, Ron. 582 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,680 Blood marks on Neil Jenkins' shoes. Mm-hm. 583 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,040 Surely we can argue that they're from kicking Mr Peters. You can, 584 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,200 but then defence will argue the fact 585 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,800 that the blood may have splashed onto the shoe 586 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,560 when Mr Peters got hit from his wound. 587 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,520 You sound like Jake. Hmph. 588 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,760 Is that your sister? 589 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,200 Yeah. 590 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,960 I bet you miss her, eh? 591 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,680 What? 592 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,520 You know what, Kate? 593 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,080 A few weeks back 594 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,640 I had to go through missing persons reports for young women, 595 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,600 and came across an Elizabeth Barker. 596 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,400 It's Beth. 597 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,400 Yeah, well... Beth. 598 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,840 It said on the report that she lived in Manchester, 599 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,760 but now thought to be living somewhere in London. 600 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,640 History of drug abuse. 601 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,200 And the contact details on the form were for a Kate Barker. 602 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,480 Why didn't you say anything? 603 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,720 I didn't need to. 604 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,520 Not until now, anyway. 605 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,600 So, is that why you've got an issue with the case? 606 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,920 Because it might be a bit too close to home? 607 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,040 Spot the detective. 608 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,920 Well, I like to think sometimes that I get it right. 609 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,720 Did you also read that she'd had her baby taken away? 610 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,600 Yeah, I did. 611 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,640 I assume Jake doesn't know? 612 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720 Like he'd care. Well that's a bit harsh, don't you think? 613 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,520 No, no, what is harsh, Ronnie, is what happened to Ruth. 614 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,000 The system didn't help her when she needed it, 615 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,080 and now we're left mopping up their mess. 616 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,960 If she hadn't got pregnant she never would have been noticed. 617 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,640 Is that what happened to your sister? 618 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,920 Beth started hanging around with this gang after school. 619 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,360 It turned out the lad she fancied was into drugs. 620 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,200 So, I guess she was trying to impress him. 621 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,160 But instead of helping her... 622 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,240 ..Mum just stuck her head in the sand, 623 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:39,160 and Dad... 624 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,080 Dad kicked her out. 625 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640 And where did she go? 626 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,480 On the streets. 627 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,400 She tried to get help from the social, 628 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,240 but they didn't want to know. 629 00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:53,240 No, not until she got pregnant. 630 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,040 And then when the baby was born, they took her away. 631 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,440 I haven't heard from her since. 632 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000 I call her mobile all the time 633 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,400 just to hear her voice on the answerphone. 634 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,080 I wonder what she'd do, your sister, 635 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,280 if she had the chance to get her baby back? 636 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,800 Oh! Whatever it takes. 637 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,080 I remember the day she said goodbye to her for the last time. 638 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,360 She cried so hard, it... 639 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,520 ..it was like her daughter had died. 640 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,680 Yeah, I bet. 641 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,840 That must have been what it was like for Ruth, eh? 642 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,160 Finally, someone gets what I've been saying. 643 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,760 Kate... 644 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,760 ..that's not what I mean. 645 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,120 I sympathise with Ruth's plight, I really do. 646 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,880 And you've just said yourself 647 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,480 your sister would do whatever it takes to get her child back. 648 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,960 So why can't the same apply to Ruth Pendle? 649 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,000 You're late. 650 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,440 Do you want me in court? 651 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,880 Can you put your opinions on one side and do the job in hand? 652 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,320 Yeah. 653 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,760 Stitch me up again and you won't get another chance. 654 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,200 And tidy yourself up. 655 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,920 I don't want the judge seeing my assistant looking a mess. 656 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,920 I'm not your - You are what I tell you to be. 657 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,840 I needed Neil to help me get Leo back. 658 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,640 And why was that? 659 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,840 I didn't put him on the birth certificate, 660 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040 which meant he could fight the adoption. 661 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,400 So you didn't want to be in a relationship with him? 662 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,280 No. 663 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,680 Can you tell the court why not? 664 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,800 I knew it wouldn't work. 665 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,480 We used to argue all the time and sometimes he got angry. 666 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,520 Angry? How? 667 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,440 Shouting. 668 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,280 And sometimes I thought he was going to hit me. 669 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,760 Milady, is this relevant? 670 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,960 I'm demonstrating to the court that my clients only intentions 671 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,000 were to be reunited with her child. 672 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,800 So desperate was she to do that, 673 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,880 that she asked for the help of a man she was scared of. 674 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,880 Milady, we are not making closing speeches just yet. 675 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,400 Get to the point, Miss Smythson. 676 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:55,800 How did Mr Jenkins react when Mr Peters started "coming at him"? 677 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,200 He lashed out. What do you mean by that? 678 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,120 I shouted at him to stop and tried to grab Leo, but he wouldn't listen. 679 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,760 And then what happened? 680 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,040 Neil pushed Mr Peters really hard and he hit the ground. 681 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:17,320 He tried to get up again, so Neil kicked him in the head. 682 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,080 You saw Mr Jenkins kick him? 683 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,560 Yes. 684 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,120 We'll take a short adjournment. 685 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,000 All rise. 686 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,160 Jake. 687 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,040 What if I've got it wrong? Sorry? 688 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,680 If Neil is the only one who can contest the adoption order, 689 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,080 then why would Ruth make sure he got found guilty? 690 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,720 If he goes to prison there's no hope of that happening. 691 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:05,840 Which she obviously knows. Exactly. 692 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,520 But if she goes along with his story of self-defence, 693 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,280 there's a small chance the jury might find them not guilty. 694 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480 But it's a big risk. 695 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,200 The pathologist report shows that Mr Peters was killed 696 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,040 by a blunt force to the head. 697 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,840 The most likely outcome is a guilty verdict for both. 698 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,600 Unless Ruth points the finger firmly at Neil 699 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,200 and removes any evidence implicating herself. 700 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,280 How long had you been taking drugs before you got pregnant? 701 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,560 A few years. And did Mr Jenkins share the same pastime? 702 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,480 No. He'd never touched them. 703 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,080 What did Mr Jenkins say when he found out? 704 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,320 Miss Pendle? 705 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,560 He didn't know. 706 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,040 You lied to him? Yes. 707 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,080 You must be very good at lying 708 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,200 to have kept not only your drug use from Mr Jenkins, 709 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,640 but also the fact you were pregnant. 710 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,880 How do we know you're not lying now? 711 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,000 What? How do we know you're not lying 712 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,120 about the day Mr Peters was killed? 713 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,000 It was him. I swear. 714 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,120 What size shoe are you, Miss Pendle? Sorry? 715 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,560 My Lady? 716 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,960 Answer the question, please. 717 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,840 Five. 718 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,640 So why were the shoes the police removed from you, 719 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,880 at the time of your arrest, a size seven? 720 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:31,280 In fact, if the jury look at the shoes on the CCTV image 721 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,720 of Miss Pendle at the home of Mr Peters, 722 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:37,680 and then at the shoes forensics photographed, 723 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,800 you'll see they're different. 724 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,160 I appreciate to the untrained eye they might look the same, 725 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,600 but thankfully I have an unhealthy obsession with trainers. 726 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,880 I never did come to terms with heels. 727 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,080 But you'll notice that there's a very thin white stripe 728 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,320 on the trainers in the CCTV image. 729 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:03,440 Yet it's vanished by the time Miss Pendle is arrested on the same day. 730 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,640 Can you explain that? 731 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,120 The photo must have something on it. 732 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,960 I think we both know the real answer. 733 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,480 You swapped trainers with those of Lisa Longwood, 734 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,600 the woman whose home you were found at. 735 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,160 And I think you swapped those trainers because you knew 736 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,840 that forensics would find traces 737 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,440 of Mr Peter's DNA on yours from where you had kicked him. 738 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,840 That's ridiculous. 739 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,080 What was it like the day you gave Leo up? 740 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,280 Pardon? 741 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,480 Tell us about it. 742 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,400 Help us to understand what you've been through. 743 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,040 Social Services came to my mother's to get him. 744 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,320 I remember holding him in my arms for the last time. 745 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,320 I'd just given him a bath and he smelt all clean. 746 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,880 I told him that his mummy loved him... 747 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,760 ..and one day I'd see him again. 748 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,760 And that's why you wanted him back? 749 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,520 Yes. 750 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,360 So badly that you'd do anything. 751 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,280 He's my son. 752 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,200 So badly that you wouldn't let anyone stand in your way. 753 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,440 He belongs with me. No. 754 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,720 He belongs with his parents. 755 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,480 Gareth Wilks and Richard Peters. 756 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,680 Only he's lost one of those now, hasn't he? You made sure of that. 757 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,880 No. You waited until Mr Jenkins had left with Leo 758 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,080 and then you kicked Mr Peters in the head. 759 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,800 I didn't. You wanted to make sure 760 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,280 that he never took your baby boy away again, didn't you? 761 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,400 That's not what happened. You're his mum, Ruth. 762 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,520 Didn't you love him enough to fight for him? Yes. Yes, of course I did. 763 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,040 Of course you did. 764 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,600 You were prepared to let Neil Jenkins believe 765 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,520 that he'd killed Richard Peters when he pushed him. 766 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,400 Prepared to lie under oath so that you got off. 767 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,200 You switched trainers with those of Lisa Longwood, 768 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,520 knowing that yours would prove you kicked Mr Peters in the head. 769 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,360 In fact, you were prepared to do whatever it takes, 770 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,160 weren't you, Ruth? 771 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,200 No further questions. 772 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,800 On the count of murder of Richard Peters, 773 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,920 how do you find the defendant Neil Jenkins? 774 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,800 Not guilty. 775 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,440 On the count of murder, how do find the defendant Ruth Pendle? 776 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,320 Guilty. 777 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,880 How on earth did you figure out the trainer thing? 778 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,760 Like I said, unhealthy obsession. 779 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,960 I'm sorry for being such a pain. 780 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,520 You're forgiven. Just. Kate! 781 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,000 Oh, yes? Something I should know? 782 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,520 Plenty, Jake. There's plenty. Can I get you a drink? 783 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,000 subtitles by Deluxe